A guy pushes you at a bar. You get in his face and words are exchanged. Both of you agree to take it outside. You see him in the light and realize that it's former UFC Welterweight Champion BJ Penn. You are in trouble. This very scenario took place outside a nightclub in Hilo, Hawaii two years ago...
Apparently, and according to the original article by UFCJunkie, Penn reacted to his brother's being into a fight by placing a police officer in an Americana. Just kidding... But he did see his brother involved in a fight and inadvertently pushed an officer. When the officer attempted to use pepper spray on BJ (which we all know he is immune to), BJ punched him in the face.
Now, I find this a little bit puzzling. While BJ's striking is very decent, he's always been known for his prowess on the ground, his flexibility, and his dexterity. I'm surprised that he'd choose to simply punch the office rather than attempt a flying triangle or armbar of some kind. I doubt that the police officer's sprawl is good, so a take down attempt might have been a good way to go.
If you want to read more on BJs lack of planning for this fight and exactly how it went down, here's what UFCJunkie says to do:
For more information about the series of events, including a list of all the court documents pertaining to the case, head over to Hawaii’s State Judiciary Public Access System and enter case No. 1PC051001062.
27 Comments:
Great article
You cant use BJJ in a streetfight it is to dangerous to go to the ground! No one fights straight up if you go to your back for any amount of time you are likely to get your head kicked in! Some take down and submissions can be effective but you must be prepared to fight not only the guy who started the problem but all of his buddies. As for BJ he may be a great BJJ practioner, but his striking is highly under rated. He beat the hell out of GSP before he gassed. He beat the hell out of Hughes before he gassed. The only thing stopping BJ from ruling the 155 and 170 weight classes is his commitment to train.
i think you might have missed the point...
Well since you dont know how to add a hyperlink properly why don't you go ahead and explain it to me>
still awaiting the explanation?
it was a joke. who would actually use BJJ in a streetfight?
Most law enforcement agencies use variations of BJJ in there restraining hold and take downs.... arent you so smart
Yeah, a very very loose variation. The joke is that BJ Penn wouldn't try to put someone in a triangle. Why are you so determined to pick a fight? If you're gonna do it, then at least don't hide behind an anonymous guise.
First kids gather around its time for a history lesson.
In 1914, Japanese Jiu-Jitsu champion Esai Maeda arrived in Brazil to help establish a Japanese immigration colony. Once in Brazil he was aided by Gastao Gracie, a Brazilian scholar and politician of Scottish decent. To show his gratitude, the oriental master taught the ancient secrets of that ancient fighting style to Gastao's son, Carlos Gracie. Carlos taught Maeda's techniques to his brothers: Oswaldo, Gastao, Jorge and Helio and in 1925 they opened the first Jiu-Jitsu Academy in Botafogo, a district of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. This is where the brothers, prompted by Carlos, essentially designed and laid the foundation for 'Brazilian' Jiu-Jitsu.
Ok now that we have a little background and understand BJJ came from JJJ we may move on. Most Law enforcement officers are taught principles based on Judo and Jui-jitsu. These techniques are called "defensive tactics" and are meant to control a person. Defensive tactics employs joint locks, body manipulation, controlling techniques, escapes, sweeps, etc. Top MMA trainers often teach law enforcement officers these techniques (i.e. Pat Militech- maybe you have heard of him) So tell me in all your infinite wisdom how these techniques are a "very very loose variation" ? You are better off just writting the articles. I feel like I am in a battle of wits and am all alone. As far as picking a fight goes thats not my intention. Im just stating facts. If you were trying to make a little joke and it wasn't funny I understand and you may go about your business. If you are interested in a war of words I am ready. If you are interested in any other type of battle you might want to think that decision through more carefully. As far as my name why does it matter? Since it seems so important Benji I will register for the rest of my comments
The joke was that BJ Penn tried to strike with the officer even though he's a feared submission artist. That's all it was. I made no contention about the police officer's BJJ skills, other than saying he probably doesn't have a good sprawl (an obvious joke).
I'll beat you in a battle of wits any day of the week. Why don't you tell us where you went to school?
I think we are trailing off the subject here. In saying that law enforcement uses the techniques I am implying that they can be used in a street fighting situation. There is way more to BJJ than rolling around on your back. I said a battle of wits not of education. I am sure that mommy and daddy have pampered you and you have had an outstanding education. My education is not in question, but your knowledge of the MMA world is. I am not the one stealing all the articles from UFC junkie and then reposting them.
So now you're saying that BJJ can be used in street fighting, but your original comment said "You cant use BJJ in a streetfight it is to dangerous to go to the ground!"
In the world of educated people, thats what we call a...contradiction.
If I find something on UFC Junkie and write about it, I cite UFC Junkie. If I hear about it from Dan Henderson, Chuck Liddell, or any of the other MMA fighters I talk to on a consistent basis, then I don't need to quote it.
Thanks for the journalism lesson, though.
I quoted UFC Junkie is THIS VERY ARTICLE, you idiot.
"Apparently, and according to the original article by UFCJunkie..."
I didnt write the original 3 anonymous comments numb nuts. So im not contradicting myself at all!
And by quoting that you quoted UFC junkie it just reaffirms my statement that you are just taking their stuff and reposting it!
Be careful with the name calling we (more you than me)dont want this to escalate
When you insist on posting as anonymous, you run the risk of that happening.
I didn't take their stuff and repost it. I QUOTED it. Taking it and reposting it would be if I put it on the site as if it was my own find.
Can I join in on your game? Ok first off you can use bjj in a street fight I have seen it done, and have done it. Is it the smartest move to pull guard in a street fight HELL NO! Do most fights end up on the ground HELL YES! unless you have KO power, or are a trained stand up fighter your probably not going to be exchanging on your feet. Ok the next comment to Zeidler ---- the hyper link doesnt work, so he is right about that. Next law enforcement officers using jits is common place nowadays, the Marine Corps actually has its own system called MCMAP. Everyone is using Jits and it is effective to an extent in alot of situations.
Zeidler you did say the very very loose variation comment in reference to law enforcement, so if thats not what you meant you should clarify that issue. Anonymous guy way to copy straight from the bjjusa web page the history of brazilian jits. Anonymous guy you said you were going to register why didnt you? Zeidler I dont like you attacking this guys education and then not defending the spoiled rich kid comment he threw at you. Alot of MMA competitors are doing it because they grew up hard and were not afforded the chance to get an education. Anonymous guy this is a relatively new website so they may need to reference other sites to get the most up to date info and they are staying on top of it, so give them a break. Plus they are getting interviews with top athletes that no one else has. Zeidler and anonymaous if you guys have all ready developed a hatred for eachother quit talking shit from behind your monitors meet some where and handle it. Fuck this is an MMA website not a place for keyboard kung fu. Thats why I hate sherdog handle your shit or shut up about it.
Ok you gave them credit for it, but you did just repost it! whats your weight class? Maybe we can work something out
170, you?
And I wouldn't say I reposted it. How I covered it was significantly different from how UFC Junkie covered it?
Are we about done here?
I'd drop to 155 for a fight though.
To answer Tim's questions, I stand by my remark that police "moves" are a loose variation of BJJ. They are probably derived and evolved from BJJ, but I'd bet that most police don't know exactly what moves they're using.
Thought I fixed the hyperlink problem...that was a glitch in blogger, but I'm looking into it. I'll look again.
I don't feel as if I need to defend the spoiled rich kids comment because I am one and I have no problem with that. It wasn't my choice to end up that way, but I certainly won't turn it down. However, you're probably right that I shouldn't attack his lack of education...I apologize.
You hit one thing right on the head, Tim: we do get some great interviews. You thought Hendo was good? Just WAIT to see what else we have in store.
well, maybe the next time you are talking to one of these pros they can get you some anabolics! your going to need to come up to the heavy weights to face me little man!
Thats what I thought PUSSY
So you think you won because you're heavier than I am?
No I think I will win because I am heavier! Look at that high dollar education!
I wasn't talking about the hypothetical fight! I was talking about the argument! Look at that high dollar G.E.D.!
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